Bearing in mind that the Liberals formed a new party and we have groups such as the UK independence party - what would a new party hope to achieve or represent?
All three main parties have ceased to represent the views of most people in this country.
They seem determined to impose there agenda of cultural marxism on us.
A new party would hope to actually represent the people.
Discipline in schools and society in general, no concessions to religous groups such as muslim only swiming at council pools, no further immigration, get rid of the human rights act, no more tolerance of thugs, people to work for welfare etc Just the common sense stuff most people actually want.
The Tories are finished as a brand, the country will never go for them again.
Yet they're consistently polling 40+% of the vote. Even with the inherent bias in the electoral system, that will get them a majority win.
Cameron is doing exactly what he needs to do to get elected. He may be similar to Blair in terms of presentation but that doesn't necessarily mean he's dishonest.
I don't see why anyone has a problem with the LibDems. They haven't been corrupted by power and their policies are barely distinguishable from Cameron's. And they're certain to improve the electoral system... ;)
canvas, I think the ability to add smileys and images is gradually melting your brain... Please stop, before it goes completely...
I'm wary, flashman, of anybody who thinks they are completely in touch with 'what the majority want'. I am, naturally, quite certain that you haven't actually spoken to 30 million people about their political views, so you will almost definitely have a skewed perspective in one way or another. The polls, similarly, are skewed.
If you do know exactly what it is that 'the majority' want, perhaps you should be running for political office yourself?
Discipline in schools and society in general, no concessions to religous groups such as muslim only swiming at council pools, no further immigration, get rid of the human rights act, no more tolerance of thugs, people to work for welfare etc Just the common sense stuff most people actually want.
Flashman, would you like the UK to be a communist state then?
Flashman - is not not an appeal of DC then? Social Responsibility seems to be the main current running through everything he has proposed so far. In that sense, he's VERY different to New Labour who practice state responsibility.
OK, flashman, the Conservatives should go back to what they were from 1997-2005 (right-wing) ? Would that do them or the country any good?? I think not.
VoteDave, there is no real difference between the Tory party of 1997-2005, and DC's CON-servative party. Except a brand change.
We are witness to a very competent and drastic re-branding of the tories.. for 1 reason only. They were completely un-electable. Not because Cameron and his party actually believes any of it.
So if you want to vote for DC, then you are just extending Blair's legacy of spin, showmanship and presentation.
Cameron never once uttered a single word against previous tory policy, never once voted for what he now 'believes in so passionately'. If that is the sort of conviction, and person who can be trusted with our country.... oh sh*t yeah we just 10 years of such a person.
Please wake up; google bullindon boys club, look at the number of people from Eaton on Cameron's front bench - these guys care, and can empaphise as much with society, and the environment as Alf Garnet.
Carlos, if I'm being fooled, then you are in the league of inconsolable cynicism.
Let's look who his leader was when he voted previously - Michael Howard - DC wouldn't have been able to get to where he is now unless he toed the line with his predeceasors - that's the reality of being a party political politician.
So what if they went to Eton - we should be glad our politicians are educated at such great establishments.
Sorry mate but I'm sticking with the centre-right Conservatives - please don't insult my intelligence and judgement :)
So you wouldn't say Labour voters have bad judgement - i would, how can you vote for a party that stands for what they do, or have implemented what they have in the last 10 years..
Likewise I am saying that there is absolutely no difference between them and DC's conservative party.
I'd say it's not cynacism, just realism...
What you are basically saying is that you would prefer someone with no convictions, apart from that of having power? Cos that is exactly the only conclusion you can come to with DC's past history.
And I would bet it's more to do with his links in the bullingdon club, and direst relationship to the queen that got him where he is now, and not toeing Michael Howard's or anyones else's line - oh but hang on he wrote his election campaign maifesto ;-)... and was Norman Lamont's advisor on black wednesday...
Go back even further and we have paraletic (and almost undoubtably coke'd up to the hilt) nights out at the most expensive restaurants, which he then preceeded to wreck, and then to fling cash at the owners, with buddy Boris.. if that's the sort of person you want running the country. With an elite of people round him who have no reflection of the real world.. sure sounds like every other torry government we've had.
just saying don't be fooled by the re-brand... when they get in power it'll be very, very different: remember labour before they got in, sounded sooooooooooooo good..... Remember being let down?
Please please please stop harping on about the bullingdon club. Is everything you did when you were a 19 - 21 year old a model of propriety. Did you not have nights out on the drunk, get paralytic, wake up next to the odd person you had never met before, drive under the influence etc.
What were you then? a boy scout?
One of the reasons that the US system gets them such awful Presidents is that every detail of their lives are raked over endlessly. It is only the sly and deceiptful like the Clintons of this world or the totally naive and gormless like GW that can stand up to such scrutiny... if you have any little skelletons in your past they are sure to come to light.
I far prefer the Aussie system whereby anyone who had not been a bit of a "Jack the Lad" in his time would be regarded with outright suspicion and never get elected.
Look at what the guy is doing now.
Personally I do not back everything DC does and says and I am certainly concerned that there are big Government noises emanating, his touchy feely statements make me uncomfortable and the whole MMGW debate seems a bit lame as no discussion has been had.
But he has been elected as leader and is certainly standing up to Nulabour. He is doing that which is necessary to make the Tories electable which they certainly haven't been for awhile.
At this stage of the political process I am more concerned with principles over specific policies... look at how very quickly Labour have grabbed and re-packaged Tory policies. (The latest being Brown promissing parliament a vote on any declarations of war... a Tory suggestion, quite caught Hague on the hop)
jonjii.. i appreciate your position, however there are some glaring holes with it.
I am in no way saying that there should be no skeletons in peoples closets - however the bullingdon exploits are not your typical teenage axnst experimentation.
It is an elite club for those which we call filthy rich, they are secretive by nature, and loyal beyond party politics.
I'd be all for a prime minister that had experimented in drugs, had a criminal record (for minor offences)etc.. As that is at least a reflection of real society.
Going into a restaurant ordering the most expensive things on the menu, then completely destroying the place... does not reflect reality in any way - quite the opposite. It is worse than any vandal on an estate.
But it's more how such secretive clubs lead onto more and more secret cobals - such as what we see in New Labour. Or the front bench of Cameron's party. In other words policy and power resides with a few, and not a true democratic parliament that we proclaim to have.
That is why I do not trust a word he says, that is why I believe he should not be PM.
Carlos, I am afraid we are never going to agree. I don't necessarily think DC is the answer to all our prayers and rather regret the fact that Hague is no longer a candidate... but he will be streets ahead in ability than Brown, especially as he looks like he will listen (which is something Brown has shown absolutely no evidence of) and we will have a decent cabinet with people of ability in there, not sychophants.
Got to support jonjii,
carlos you are way off the ball.
Better to be governed by someone who is properly educated, taught leadership skills and an understanding of what government is all about.
Rather than some ex con with no education who gets his ideas from his mates at the pub, and who's only claim to leadership skills is that he's a hard man enforcer for the local union.
Nothing wrong with being rich and privileged, its stupidity, corruption and abuse of power that is wrong.
Lets face it, given today's state education system you'll be hard pressed to find someone who is not privately educated capable of the job.
carlos you are way off the ball.
Better to be governed by someone who is properly educated, taught leadership skills and an understanding of what government is all about.
Rather than some ex con with no education who gets his ideas from his mates at the pub, and who's only claim to leadership skills is that he's a hard man enforcer for the local union.
er... please don't put words in my mouth.
I was merely pointing out in reply to jonji, that it wasn't important that the next PM have a perfect and pure past. As Jonji made out i was saying.
Obviously the next PM would have to be more than just geezer from the pub. They would need to have all those great things you speak of, but that's not synonamous with someone who may have been in trouble in the past. What is vital is that they are honest, and have the good of the people at the core of their being. Neither of which bLIAR had, or which DC shows he has.
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Lets face it, given today's state education system you'll be hard pressed to find someone who is not privately educated capable of the job.
going on previous experience I would have to argue against that.. bLIAR made a pretty big mess of the job.
