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The need to end sexual violence against women
13/11/2007
As many as one in two young men believe there are some circumstances when it's okay to force a woman to have sex. We need a cultural change in attitudes towards women and sexual violence.
Posted by SmokelessCoal 13/11/2007 16:16:12
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Not a cultural change, you can't change the way the world is Dave.
Changing the odds would be possible.
Perhaps allowing women to carry Mace would even up their chances in such situations.
Pemitted in the rest of the world but not the UK.
Posted by Votedave 13/11/2007 16:41:47
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I disagree, Smokeless - changing the odds is possible, especially when you consider the UK's rape conviction rate is lower than many of its European counterparts.
We need a radical shake-up of sex education and the justice system. We cannot sit back and let this situation worsen.
Posted by liketobeanonymous 13/11/2007 17:14:30
Subject: Sexual Violence and building up the welfare of families
I believe all forms of violence towards women stop society from being able to be cohesive and for wholesome family life from being a reality. The culture we have today is run by abusers (see Prostitution, Education, Research, How Prostitution works? When women could not look to the Church of England to seek redress for the violence and abuse they were suffering, the dissent created a social drift, which meant pornography gained a foothold in the 1960's and men could be foot loose and fancy free. Before then for any person to gain any position in society had to be a god fearing CofE man. Today the illegitimate business men no longer has to pose as being legimitate, he has broken through this social barrier and can invited to party political fund raisers and be accepted amongst his peers, the acceprability of sexual exploitation and objectification has exploded- paying for sex, treating women as sex object by the ever increasing promotion of one-night stands.
Will the Conservatives see the greatest change to the criminal justice system, the introduction of neuro-psychology forensic techniques to conclusively prove cases, meaning that there will the minimum of 70% success rate for rape cases and lead to real law enforcement, with no if's and but's?
I think parents should be encouraged to go onto parenting courses from birth to their children become teenagers and then adults. Church community centres with schools have an important role here.
I do not agree that sex education should exclude the parents, as it has done.
Parents need to learn to be able to identify if their child having problems and have had the training and support to be in a positon to inform their children about abusive relationships, abuse of sex, drugs, alcohol, and effectively talk to their choldren so that children seek their parents not their peers for advice. To exclude parents from bringing up their teenagers is wrong. It is news to them what is often taught. I heard of 9 year old girl who came home crying, the lesson was about favoured condoms and the demeaning sexual act involved, far from the love and respect she knew from her parents. This is no way to be educating our children.
It is the parents who can help to address destructive behaviours such as drink, drugs, sex and relationships. Without parents full involvement we a divided and broken society. Sex can be taught in the healthy context of the family unit.
All youth centres and church community centres should have funding for books written by psychologist and counsellors about whole range social problems, bereavement, divorce, menopause, addictions, bullying, trauma, how to bring up children/ child development, children surviving domestic violence environments/ sexual abuse, mental health, for young people and adults to refer to, which they can talk to another and arrange to meet in groups about.
Posted by BenStevenson 13/11/2007 18:13:56
Subject: The role of religion
The comments above about the role of the church may seem controversial. However, I think there is evidence that religion can have a beneficial role in shaping men's attitudes to women.
Soft Patriarchs, New Men: How Christianity Shapes Fathers and Husbands
http://books.google.com/books?id=OcQ7U_XeXqcC
"From the book cover...
...Evangelical Protestant men, meanwhile, are "soft patriarchs"—not as authoritarian as some would expect, and given to being more emotional and dedicated to their wives and children than both their mainline and secular counterparts. Thus, Wilcox argues that religion domesticates men in ways that make them more responsive to the aspirations and needs of their immediate families."
I am pleased that David Cameron is addressing this topic.
Another related issue is the horrific trafficking of women for use in the sex trade.
I found a PowerPoint on the issue
http://www.conservatives.com/pdf/humantrafficking.ppt
Posted by tonymakara 13/11/2007 18:49:15
Subject: Young girls and the 'Bratz' culture
The future conservative government must look at the way that young pre-teenage girls are being increasingly led into wanting more precocious clothing and into following more precocious behaviour through magazines and advertising. The so-called 'Bratz' culture which encourages precocious attitude and dress code.
Posted by tonymakara 13/11/2007 18:53:45
Subject: More on 'Bratz' culture
Here is an interesting link about 'Bratz' culture in case anyone doesn't know what it is.
http://www.traditioninaction.org/Cultural/A009cpBratzCulture.htm
Posted by canvas 13/11/2007 19:35:53
Subject: sex education
"We need a cultural change in attitudes towards women and sexual violence."
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Agreed. Improving sex education in schools would be an obvious starting point. It's worth pointing out that men are also victims of sexual violence and sexual abuse.
It's often said that the majority of women who don't report rape are frightened of being accused as liars. They feel intimidated by the appalling lack of support they will receive from the police.
There should be no pre-judging of victims. A report of rape should be treated as rape.
No means no. Good work, David Cameron. - And please leave religion out of the equation.
Posted by emily 13/11/2007 20:08:06
Subject: Religion eek!
Speaking as an 18 year old girl who has recently gone through the sex education system, and all that sexual maturing/knowing your own mind stuff, I find the mention of religion relating to this subject very scary indeed.
I think the focus on sex education is a very good one - there is still so much people are not taught. I think the main point of this education should be equipping young people with adequate knowledge of not only sex, contraception and protection but of their rights and their worth as an individual.
I don't think that this should be taught from a religious perspective because that immediately creates a judgemental environment, and young people need to be free to make the best (informed) judgements for themselves, without the issue of the Church's opinion. For the same reason parents should not be overly involved, its also worth remembering that most teenagers (however close they are) absolutely do not want to discuss sex with their parents!
Also, I think cultural change is definitely achievable.. look at how far attitudes have come relating to rape already.
Posted by Pinsie 16/11/2007 23:08:11
Subject: TonyMakara plus Survival....
TonyMakara I must say that your comment is PRECISELY one of the key attitudes that we, our society, needs to stamp out !!! i.e. that the way people (women OR men that fall foul of RASA) dress or behave is said to be "asking for it".
As someone that has personally been through a serious sexual assault & subsequent unsuccessful trial ~ where even though the defendant didnt turn up for TWO fixed trials, the last one went ahead so only I was in the stand! He was still found not guilty and both my CPS appointed QC and I were warned that we must not mention his lack of respect for our Judicial system! Why was the verdict guilty? Well, the Judges direction to the Jury, "that if they believed I consented to a physical examination (the man was an orthopaedic consultant), then they had to conclude that I consented to his actions" certainly didnt help!!! When I entered that consultants room I was wearing trousers & a twin-set from BHS!
RASA Jury's should be equally split between male & females for starters as a pro-male jury may instinctively defend a male accused. Judges directions, comments & conviction rates should be investigated. Although I would dearly have liked to see my 'offender' in prison, purely because he completely abused his privileged societal position, I think men & women that rape or sexually assault need psychological assistance. And, finally, there is SOOOO little support out there for victims of RASA. On numerous occasions, I spent up to four hours calling every Rape Crisis Centre in the country and could not get through ~ we MUST have a 24hr support line specifically for RASA survivors. If we cannot provide a judicial system that convicts offenders, then we must at least provide support for those of us that have already suffered immensely life-changing, traumatic experiences.
By nature, I am not a Tory.... but if this was a key policy, then I would wholeheartedly defend Mr.C & his team and assist in any way possible to make his intentions a reality.
WELL DONE DAVID!
Posted by Pinsie 16/11/2007 23:25:15
Subject: TonyMakara plus Survival....
TonyMakara I must say that your comment is PRECISELY one of the key attitudes that we, our society, needs to stamp out !!! i.e. that the way people (women OR men that fall foul of RASA) dress or behave is said to be "asking for it".
As someone that has personally been through a serious sexual assault & subsequent unsuccessful trial ~ where even though the defendant didnt turn up for TWO fixed trials, the last one went ahead so only I was in the stand! He was still found not guilty and both my CPS appointed QC and I were warned that we must not mention his lack of respect for our Judicial system! Why was the verdict guilty? Well, the Judges direction to the Jury, "that if they believed I consented to a physical examination (the man was an orthopaedic consultant), then they had to conclude that I consented to his actions" certainly didnt help!!! When I entered that consultants room I was wearing trousers & a twin-set from BHS!
RASA Jury's should be equally split between male & females for starters as a pro-male jury may instinctively defend a male accused. Judges directions, comments & conviction rates should be investigated. Although I would dearly have liked to see my 'offender' in prison, purely because he completely abused his privileged societal position, I think men & women that rape or sexually assault need psychological assistance. And, finally, there is SOOOO little support out there for victims of RASA. On numerous occasions, I spent up to four hours calling every Rape Crisis Centre in the country and could not get through ~ we MUST have a 24hr support line specifically for RASA survivors. If we cannot provide a judicial system that convicts offenders, then we must at least provide support for those of us that have already suffered immensely life-changing, traumatic experiences.
By nature, I am not a Tory.... but if this was a key policy, then I would wholeheartedly defend Mr.C & his team and assist in any way possible to make his intentions a reality.
WELL DONE DAVID!
Posted by Steve1666 19/11/2007 13:56:56
Subject: Attitudes to women
Considering Mr Cameron's apparent attitude to the abuse of women, how does he feel about the recent case of a woman in Saudi Arabia being sentenced to 200 lashes, following her gang rape, because she apparently broke the law by getting into a car belonging to a non-family member? Given the way this countries politicians of all colours, run around like headless chickens to support that particular misogynist dictatorship, it would be refreshing to hear Mr Cameron register his protest at the Saudi's legalized abuse of women generally.
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