Canvas, you mean as Labour leader, not Prime Minister I hope!
I think Brown will stay till the next election as it is much more difficult to remove the Labour party leader than it is in the Conservatives or the LibDems, due to party rules. John Major managed to stay on for over six years despite his travails.
As Prime Minister, David Cameron please.
As Leader of the Labour Party, probably David Miliband, possibly Alan Johnson - once Labour have been consigned to the Opposition benches again.
Votedave says " As Prime Minister, David Cameron please.
As Leader of the Labour Party, probably David Miliband, possibly Alan Johnson - once Labour have been consigned to the Opposition benches again."
I agree
Wasn't it Johnson who proposed teaching Mandarin in school? All most of us really need is a plumber and an electrician who speak English
Milliband was quoted in the press as saying that anyone who promotes renewables but not onshore wind is a hypocrite We wrote and asked had he really said this? If not we felt the newspaper owed him an apology and if he had, then with North East wind farms performing so badly the hypocrisy was not ours He did not reply to that, Our question onshore wind farms received a reply showing support for microgeration A further comment that microgeneration was not wind farms received no reply either
We then offered him a tour of the North East and its beautiful countryside following his much advertised tour of the South That fell on stony ground too so we gave up
Brown is not going anywhere. There is no credible challenger, and no credible PM amongst all those idiots, freaks and arse kissers that he surrounds himself with. This may be selfish, and I have said it before, but I think the British public hate the guy and so the longer he stays in power the more damage he can do, therefore the greater our majority after the next election.
" What, like a big dog poo on the sole of your shoe "
Canvas I can't believe anyone over the age of ten would bother to make a remark like this. It completely invalidates any other idea that follows. Many here want to see a change of government but there is no need to resort to all this stupid name calling and trying to out do each other in anti Brown comments. It's such a waste of time, gives no serious solutions to problems and leaves the impression of childishly trying deparately to bolster up a severe lack of confidence
" I have serious doubts about Cameron and his team doing any better. "
This has to be about the most sensible remark I've read on this forum for a long time Yorker. So glad to find there is someone who bothers to post a serious balanced view
Wasn't it Johnson who proposed teaching Mandarin in school?
Lizabeth - most business in the future will be conducted with China and India - so I think this is a sensible suggestion by Alan Johnson (although I wasn't aware of the comment before you mentioned it).
Averagevoter - you might not like to hear it - but Brown will be mocked for the rest of his political career. He's useless.
I have serious doubts about Cameron and his team doing any better.
David Cameron and his team want to scrap the ID card scheme, help first-time buyers by scrapping HIPs and raising the inheritance tax threshold to £1 million, give us an immediate referendum on the EU Treaty, shift the burden of tax away from families and onto pollution, hand power of the running of the NHS and schools to people who actually work in them instead of the government. I could go on but it would take all night, but all these things are opposed by Gordon Brown - unless he has copied the Conservatives' ideas (such as on inheritance tax). But he has even gone back on some of his own (allowing an EU Treaty referendum).
Personally I couldn't disagree more with yorker's statement. Unlike the Conservatives, Labour has run out of ideas and are doing far worse.
" Averagevoter - you might not like to hear it - but Brown will be mocked for the rest of his political career. He's useless.
The truth sometimes hurts , I know "
You've got it wrong I don't care one way or the other what you choose to call Gordon Brown. I am sure Brown can look after himself, your or my personal opinion of him is only an opinion not necessarily the truth. I am trying to point out that this playground name calling makes the whole comment seem childish. Children do it all the time when they are unable to put forward a valid arguement or are frightened, as they get older most realise that name calling only demeans the caller and never adds validity to the arguement
I think you're stinging, right? sorry - Gordon Brown can't look after himself - or the country.
I shall say what I like about Gordon Brown - and if you think I'm being childish - who really cares? Oh yeah - Caroline Flint does! Forgot about her...
You can be as serious as you like - BUT when it comes to Gordon Brown the word 'serious' does not apply...
V'dave, the Cameron iniatives you list smack of opportunism and many are contentious. I have already had my say about his desire to discriminate in favour of fist-time buyers on stamp-duty and 'families', this morning we hear he wants special treatment for mortgage borrowers whose repayments go up. Each of his brainwaves involve costs that have to be shouldered by others, instead of letting people face the consequences of their own recklessness. What's wrong with mortgage payers tightening their belts and using existing arrangements to manage repayments? They must have been warned repeatedly that repayments would go up.
Canvas
In haste
Wasn't it Milliband and Johnson who were responsible for Gore's film going to schools
Mandarin for business perhaps and those who can speak English and I believe a European language too.
Guardian to two chinese children, sorry now adults,only one speaks mandarin
Now for something close to your heart I see Mourinho is no longer being considered. !!
Each of his brainwaves involve costs that have to be shouldered by others, instead of letting people face the consequences of their own recklessness. What's wrong with mortgage payers tightening their belts and using existing arrangements to manage repayments? They must have been warned repeatedly that repayments would go up.
well put yorker, I want this goverment out but not sure DC and co could sustain promises they are making... whether brown is there or not, it will take a massive swing for DC to form a strong goverment***** something big would have to happen near the time of any election to achieve that..
Polls now, won't make any difference near election time labour will do anything to extend their stay.... they will offer many changes the public want, in fact anything to stay in power.. as the goverment in power thats all they will have to do... everything else would be history. to the public.. Once back they can go back on their promises AND WILL,,,,, DC has to have clear water between cons and lab.. with firm differences to MAKE voters know he would be better for them.... Sorry but don't think that is happening now.
I think Miliband is probably the greatest 'threat' to DC - and I think Alan Johnson would actually be very good in the top job.
Dear Gordon Brown - it's time for you to retire. And I hear you will receive a nice plump pension. How lovely for you - and how sad for all the other pensioners in this country who were robbed by you.
" DC has to have clear water between cons and lab.. with firm differences to MAKE voters know he would be better for them. "
This is what I have been trying to get across, name calling and constant anti Labour comments are a waste of time on this forum. There is a mountain to climb. Polls mean nothing, there is no attempt at accuracy with these organisations I can assure you if an election is a long way off and whether they are correct or not can not be proved,all the stops are pulled out within a few weeks of an election. We waste our time worrying about Gordon Brown it's the Tory party we have to make electable. DC has been so busy trying to grab the middle ground and jumping on every band wagon going that he is making the party almost indistinquishable from Labour, he leaves himself open to charges of weakness and the butt of humour and critism. At the same time he is alienating right wing Tories who may well deflect to another party. In marginals these voters have a great choice and are crucial, with immigration becoming a bigger issue this is even more likely to happen. DC does not strike the floaters as someone they can identify with, in order to over come this disadvantage he must appear strong which I fear is not the case with the present team he has around him
Got to agree with you again Yorker, a coalition goverment for ALL with no spin added..... We've used the word "utopia" before Yorker, but it could be the nearest we could get to it,,,,
Here I disagree... Coalitions are at best compromises usually combining the worst or most wishy washy aspects of the partners.
But clear water is the issue. I believe the Tories should be aiming at small government and de-regulating this huge administration, shedding at least 1/3rd of its fat, bloated and severely under-performing civil service.
Sadly, however I have seen little indication of such intentions.
anti Labour comments are a waste of time on this forum.
That's where you are wrong.
The pubic are challenging Labours failures, the media are challenging Labours failures, even Labour MPs are challenging Gordon Browns incompetence. And we know the Police force are about to challenge Labour in a big way.
Why on earth shouldn't we challenge Gordon Brown on Webcameron? David Cameron takes on board our views. It's called democracy.
AverageVoter, you might not like what you hear - but that's life.
I doubt very much whether DC takes on board the views expressed here. Perhaps he may find some useful arguments that he or his team had not considered, but all those here represent a tiny minority and statistically insignificant number. It is also fair to say the majority here are Tory voters, so this is not likely to be a 'finger on the pulse' of opinion.
I doubt if he or his team take much notice at all. Look at the thread on the Criminal justice and immigration bill, it has by far the most replies and not a word from DC or his team. Those contributing are no doubt dismissed as a 'noisy minority', but if that amount of fuss can go ignored, what chance have the other opinions voiced here?
SteveMD, I've heard the press quote so many things that have been said in this forum - they even quote 'the source' on many occasions. I've heard DC respond to issues on this site only to hear him discuss these 'things' in the press weeks later. I think there are lots of 'closet readers' on Webcameron! (in a government / press / politics kind of way).
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It is also fair to say the majority here are Tory voters
Actually, I would say the opposite is true. I think 'Tory Party members' are a minority on this site.
For example: I like David Cameron - but that doesn't make me a Tory - and it never will!
O.K. Canvas, perhaps that was reaching a little, it could go either way, but still all the ranting and raving here is unlikely to make a jot of difference one way or the other to DC or anyone else.
I'm with TonyTT and DavidBodden on this one. The Labour Party has sunk to one big smelly joke. Can't think of anyone suitable to "take over" from Brown. I guess they could all do the job as badly. Let's stick Cherie Blair on top of a Christmas tree in Trafalgar Sq and have a good knees up!
