In the last cople of Elections, whether Council or General. We have had no Canvassers nor Tellers at the Voting Stations!

Surely David wouldnt it be a good idea to re-introduce that, and speak to the Electorate, and gain their support? Also to take Pensioners to the Voting Stations?

The Royal 'WE' again??

Webcameron is not full of Tories!

I might vote for David Cameron but that doesn't make me a Tory!

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No canvassing allowed at voting stations.

Canvassing Door to Door!

Its easy Canvas. You either support David getting into No 19. Or you get the same and more from the Clown for another 5 years!

Chanel No. 19?

I do support David Cameron - you don't need to tell me about New Labour. They let me down - badly. That doesn't mean I am a Tory. I like David Cameron and what he is doing with the modern Conservative Party - but I am VERY wary of the right wing old guard. I want DC to prove the Tories are no longer the NASTY Party. I'm undecided. I need proof.

I think the next election is about building a broad church of support against a government that sees itself as being entrenched and able to do what it likes without checks and balances. Disillusioned Labour supporters should support a change of government. Only when this arrogant government is ousted will the Labour party's rank and file supporters have a chance to reclaim their party from the deviationists who have hijacked the Labour movement in recent years.

Canvas it was a keyboard error, getting into No 10!

Well you need proof from David, youve certainly got proof from Bliar and Clown?

It's up to DC to get those nasties to toe the party line...
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Down with democracy.

We need to turn this country into a republic.

God help us no! Why would we want ANOTHER layer of government! The Canadians took one look south of their border and that was enough to show them that a president is a bad idea.

Example of why democracy is bad:

100kmx100km country, 10 people own a 10kmx10km region each. It runs on democratic system. 1 persons region has all the resources, rest have none. They all vote. 9 people vote in favour of the resources being divided between everyone, that 1 person is overridden completely and has no rights.

In republic, you have rights to property, in democracy you don't.

If that country was a republic, that 1 persons rights would have protected him.


At the moment, USA is not a republic, it has been corrupted into a communist country basically. It has all 10 parts of the communist manifesto in place.

otester,

It would have been a socialist democracy that led to people thinking of a re-distribution of wealth. A capitalist democracy would lead to the resources being in the hands of those who earned them.

@timbill

I think America & Britain and many other countries are becoming totalitarian-socialist, if there is such a thing.

In America the state is part of:

1. License registration for car
2. Marriage
3. Kids

1. can be over-ridden if you have manufacturers certificate of origin and state has no business there although they can be hard to get hold of and you must pay for the car in cash, not loan.

2. marriage license now means you, wife/husband and state are bonded, therefore leading on to....

3. They own your kids.


In England, you don't own the land but you own the building and things that sit on it, so they can take it away from you, same for most places in USA now.

Founding-fathers of America hated democracy because it encouraged mob-rule, which it does.

51% take EVERYTHING, 49% loose EVERYTHING in a democracy.

51% take EVERYTHING*, 49% loose EVERYTHING* in a republic.

* = Everything except your rights, which protects you. So for example like I said in my previous post, those resources would not be given to those 9 other people because they infringe on one of your rights.

You havent got any rights under Labour Goverment?

otester, sorry but your use of language means that nothing of your last post makes any sense at all. Are you American?

@DealOrNoDeal

Do we even have a constitution or anything saying we have rights in stone?

@timbill

Tell me that parts that didn't make sense and I'll explain them and no I'm not American, I'm English.

otester, all of it. Try writing a full sentence with subject, verb, object and maybe some definite and indefinite articles and others may be able to follow your thoughts.

I am particulary confused about your somments on car registrations - are you saying that cars should not be registered?

Also, your comment on land ownership could do with a fuller explanation. What do you see as the status of a freehold property. Your claim of no ownership of land is one I am familiar with in places such as France but not England.

You have to pay fees for it, most of the parts are really unnecessary and just so government can make money out of you and have ownership of your car. This really only applies to America because over here you have Tax Disc which pays for road, in America it's jsut about making money.



Doesn't the Queen (Monarchy) own everything, or can seize it (same thing)?

In America you can get a loadall package which means you own the land and you can do ANYTHING you like with it as long as it doesn't affect anyone elses rights. Real-estate means you own everything on the land but not the land itself, state does, so your limited to what you can do with it.

So Freedom = loadall, Slavery = real-estate.

Well that explains it, your comments relate to America and as such are irrelevant.

.....and no the Monarch does not own everything otherwise she would not be referred to as the UK's biggest land owner, reflecting how much of the land Her Majesty owns. The institution of the Monarchy is the biggest defence we have against over zealous and transient elected officials.

I'm sorry but your post appears to be poorly researched and lacking in relevance to a UK based debate. As a rant against democracy it just doesn't add up.

@timbill

To summarise.....

Democracy doesn't have a system in place to protect individuals rights but a republic does.

I personally believe the monarchy is in on all this, since the English Civil war most possibly.

And a republic becomes the fiefdom of the ruling political elite, handing power to the president. We are still, despite Tony Blair's best efforts much more free than the citizens of either the American or French republics, to name but two.

A Constitutional Monarchy with a democratically elected parliament - we are free to elect the biggest idiots we can find and for the last ten years we have done exactly that.

@timbill

"And a republic becomes the fiefdom of the ruling political elite, handing power to the president."

Elite can infiltrate any government they choose.

Democracy without infiltration can still lead to unfairness and individuals loose their rights.

Republic without infiltration cannot have unfairness because the rights an individual has protects them.

In the Bill of Rights IIRC the Americans have an obligation to over throw a corrupt system, which they have so far failed to do, so the republic is not at fault but has been tampered with and people have failed to restore it.

"We are still, despite Tony Blair's best efforts much more free than the citizens of either the American or French republics, to name but two."

I think our government is just good at keeping things secret, if we saw what was really going on behind the scenes....

Try taking photographs near parliament, if a cops sees you he might arrest you, some people have been arrested recently, especially if you looking the tiniest bit Arab.

otester,

Full of non-sequitors, paranoid, innaccurate, unsubstantiated, and irrelevant waffle.

Good night.

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The Queen has an unusual set of powers. She can sack the Prime Minister, block any legislation from passing or call a new election. She has chosen to keep them as a last resort.

I'm pretty sure the Magna Carta guaranteed land rights circa 1215.

We really do need a constitution though. I reckon we're only 3 years away from a police state dictatorship if any future govt wanted that.

Perhaps the e-petitions should go Buckingham Palace instead of Downing Street then?

HRH always has an opinon on pollitical events, with her own likes and dislikes. Rumour has it she wasn't too keen on Cherie and didn't like having her hand disrespectfully grabbed by Tony Blair on new years eve 1999. Does anyone remember the spoof radio call to HRH a few years ago on the subject of nations leaving the commonwealth and she was very much against it? Princess Sophie is reported to be very anti-cherie too. I the queen had a vote I get the feeling that she wouldn't vote for New Labour.

The elite in America have more trouble because more people are becoming aware of what they're doing and they have to take away all the rights, which will certainly take longer than it will here in UK.

Who here wants/doesn't mind getting an RFID?

Also the monarchy needs to have all power stripped from it and instate a republic, keep monarchy though and fund them because they help for tourism.

No offence meant to anyone but there is one persons comments that just seem like an unsubstantiated rant. Otester, it seems like you know very little about the subject you are ranting about. You seem to have a very paraniod perspective.

To get back to the topic of election time. I have pointed out the same thing in my post here I agree that there is not nearly enough presence. The leadership seem to be blaming this on lack of funds but as I have said before the party has legions of members who are basically unused assets

@martinnelson

Just watch the videos.

Don't think Sophie is a Princess!

She's the Countess of Wessex, I think.

Votedave and canvas, you are probably both right, I just call her Princess Sophie out of habit. I still refer to Ex-royal Fergie as Princess Sarah too! I'll have to learn to observe the correct royal protocol. If The Countess of Wessex can see through Cherie's facade she's ok! Thats for sure.