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Title: Have Labour and LibDem activists hijacked WebCameron?

BasilBlogger

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Registration date: 26/03/2007
Added: 12/06/2007 10:21
Have Labour and LibDem activists hijacked WebCameron?

yorker

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Added: 12/06/2007 10:33
It's a risk webcameron took when it opened. There may be argumentative types patrolling this forum, but are they Labour/LibDem activists?

canvas

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Added: 12/06/2007 12:02
Boys, haven't you heard the news? The Conservative Party is changing. It's modernising.
Perhaps it's all too much for you to bear? Maybe it's a generational thing ? LoL


PS> Webcameron was never exclusively for Tories - it has always been a mix of people from all political persuasions. That's why it's so good.

Last edited by: canvas on 12/06/2007 12:12
yorker

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Yes but it's supposed to benefit the Tories, or they wouldn't go to the trouble.

Tizzy

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Added: 12/06/2007 13:28
Isn't it supposed to promote DC rather than the party? The vid's and responses show his vision of the party's future under his leadership. Since taxpayers are funding this site it would be a bit dubious if only Tories were allowed to post here.

Jordan

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Added: 12/06/2007 14:54
[quote]Have Labour and LibDem activists hijacked WebCameron?

Yeah, posing as BNP activists!!

yorker

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Added: 12/06/2007 15:33
Fatuous remark.

Jordan

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Added: 12/06/2007 15:38
Yorker, you make me laugh. If there was a "Webbrown.com" site it would be tempting for any BNP or for that matter opposition activist to go on there posing as a genuine Labour lover only to subsequently cause trouble. Just as is happening on this site.

Nothing fatuous about it. (nice try though......)

canvas

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Added: 12/06/2007 15:42
we can all recognise a troll when we see one :)

Yorker, have you just recently retired? Any other hobbies? LoL

yorker

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Added: 12/06/2007 16:03
I could ask the same of you, canvas. Alas, I still have to earn a crust occasionally, but I work from home and have to admit I find this site addictive and spend far too much time logging in and out. If I was sensible I'd pack it in altogether.

Votedave

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Added: 12/06/2007 16:24
As a Conservative member, it should not be forgotten Webcameron allows everyone to debate whatever their political views, not just Conservatives. The party does better to talk to everyone instead of just itself.

Long may it continue.

jonjii

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Added: 12/06/2007 17:14
Tizzy, Where did you get the info that the taxpayer funds this site? Isn't it run by Mr Cameron's department so would probably be funded and moderated by the Tory Party.

In any event I, a dyed in the wool Tory, encourage others to come and state their opinions, and debate... arguing with the choir is rather unsatisfying.

We all knew that Blair was too scared to in case his memebers said something he didn't like or expressed opinions different to his expressed wisdom.

Last edited by: jonjii on 12/06/2007 17:16
DaveGould

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Added: 12/06/2007 17:49
Another great post there, jonjii.

I'd like to add that the Tory party has always been an uneasy alliance. Right & centre stick together purely because of our stupid electoral system.

Votedave

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Added: 12/06/2007 18:22
The Labour Party are an uneasy alliance too, between Left and centre. For every Tony Blair and David Miliband you have a Dennis Skinner and John McDonnell, et cetera. You get them in every major party...

yorker

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Skinner and McDonnell I can live with... reliable and honourable (Skinner at any rate).

Tizzy

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Jonjii, info on taxpayers money for MPs websites:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6502331.stm

That is in addition to the Short money for Leader of the Opposition, of course.

yorker

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There's no point in MPs having a website unless it's for blatant self-promotion. Webcameron is certainly in that catagory except that it includes a feedback loop through this forum.

jonjii

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Added: 12/06/2007 18:56
Thanks Tizzy I must have missed that along the way. However if this website only cost £10 Gs to run I would be very surprized.

I think that DC must have a lot of financial support for this one.

I do think however that it is doing a fair job.

DaveGould

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Added: 12/06/2007 19:24
Votedave wrote:
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You get them in every major party...


You mean the duopoly don't you? ;)

The New Labour neo-con thing is a very recent and hopefully temporary phenomenon. Policy-wise, the LibDems used to be much closer to Labour than the Tories. Was that an 80s/90s thing or did it go back much further? Nowadays, I can't see any policy difference between the Tories and LibDems.

McDonnell seems reliable & honourable to me. And yes, Webcameron is easily the best thing about the Tory party in terms of making me want to vote for them again.

Votedave

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The LibDems definitely became closer to New Labour in the mid 90s onwards, but certainly not earlier. Indeed the Liberals formed an alliance with the Social Democratic Party, which broke away from the Labour Party in 1981 because of its drift to the extreme left. That explains how the "Democrat" was eventually added to the original "Liberal Party."
If you take Europe, the constitution, Iraq, the war on terror, and voting systems as just a few issues, there are definitely differences between LibDem and Conservative policy.

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DaveGould

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If you take Europe, the constitution, Iraq, the war on terror, and voting systems as just a few issues, there are definitely differences between LibDem and Conservative policy.


I don't think LibDems differ on the EU, unless Cameron is planning to withdraw.
What is Cameron's policy on the constitution?
By the War on Terror, I presume you mean habeus corpus. Is Cameron not in favour of the right to a fair trial?
Voting systems, yes, but then both parties are in favour of the voting system that favours them. ;)
The other one I know is that Cameron seems to want to deport people to be tortured. That worries me.

Graham

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Added: 12/06/2007 22:29
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Have Labour and LibDem activists hijacked WebCameron?


Why do you ask?

Because some people on here have the barefaced gall to take you and others to task for expressing views that seem more to come from the BNP than anyone else?!

Perhaps we should ask if BNP activists have hijacked this site!

yorker

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Perhaps it's just populated by assorted Tory twerps who can't hack it... ever thought of that?

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jonjii

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Added: 12/06/2007 23:04
A particularly offensive comment, Yorkie, with high emotive content but null meaning.

Do try and restrain yourself...or else just hold up a mirror before saying anything stupid like that.

yorker

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Justified given the previous posting.

Graham

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Yorker:

If you referring to my post, I'd love to hear this "justification"...

(Unless you're calling other posters on here "Tory twerps" because they don't agree with you and Basil?)

yorker

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So why the snide swipe at unnamed posters implying they are BNP activists?

Graham

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Yorker:

Ah, so it seems you don't have a justification for that comment, then.

martinnelson

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Added: 13/06/2007 01:14
May I say that even if there are Lib Dem/Labour activists on webcameron there are too few political discussion forums and converstaions in general. It is important to stimulate the conversations that go on here and no conversation is stimulating when everybody agrees.

yorker

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Yorker:
Ah, so it seems you don't have a justification for that comment, then.

And neither do you.

Graham

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[mode=playground]

You started it!

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Jordan

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Added: 13/06/2007 16:33
Oh dear, I must be a Tory Twerp then. I'm so offended and upset - I must get a hanky. Booohooohooo.

Then again it could be worse. I could be a complete plonker who has a masters degree in complete ignorance and misguided beliefs.

yorker

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Oh dear, I must be a Tory Twerp then.

Anyone who has to refer to his 'master's degree' must be.

Glynne

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Added: 13/06/2007 17:42
And there was me thinking it was a PhD!

Tizzy

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Erm, or DPhil... I know, I'm a total plonker.

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