Is this not the very best time to send Saud a clear message over its human rights plus many other things?
Imo yes, should David attend? again imo NO, however it seems like he is...........so what message should he be taking with him.....Hopefully not a welcome 'everything is ok' one
DC should follow Vince Cable's example and boycott this nasty individual by stayinhg away from the banquet. Typical of the double standards this country is now soaked in.
He did ban slavery in 1998/9 well recently anyway
A step in the right direction there
A quarter of the worlds oil production/supply
And its running out
PEAK OIL officialy happened in 2006
Talk is nessesary
Like him or not
One respite Yorker - Abdullah has confirmed my suspicions that our secret services were complicit in the London bombing in that they were warned of the attack and then for reasons unknown, totally ignored critical information affecting the very lives of the British people in London on that terrible day in 2005. I ask DC to insist on a full investigation into the July 7th attacks in light of the King of Saudi's information to the British government.
In an interview with the BBC before a state visit to Britain, King Abdullah accused London of failing to do enough to combat international terrorism.
"We have sent information to Great Britain before the terrorist attacks in Britain but unfortunately no action was taken," he said, speaking through an interpreter. "And it may have been able to maybe avert the tragedy."
A spokesman for Prime Minister Gordon Brown said no warnings were received before the July 7 attacks on London's transport system: "We made it very clear at the time that no specific warnings were received from any source."
"We do have a very close intelligence relationship with the Saudis," he added. "We just happen to disagree on this point."
Reuters
BBC, Saudi king, British gvt, intelligence services. Nice soup. Are you being selective, Scrubs?
and you don't think it's suspicious that's it's taken over 2 years for the King to mention his concerns publicly and only did so then when he was coming on an official visit knowing full well it would give him some publicity which might divert concerns about his countries less than savoury human rights record?
scrubs - do you always go off on a whim once someone says something that may back up a ludicrous conspiracy theory.
even the most hardened conspiracy theorist surely can't believe that a government would allow its own citizens to be killed if they had a direct warning would they
No Tizzy I am not. I believe from extensive research (I do NOT conjure up my facts) and from the mouths of ex MI6 operatives that the terrorist group responsible for the July 7th bombings were known to British Intelligence. King Abdullah enforced that belief.
Please in future do not humiliate me by suggesting I am a conspiracy theorist which I am not. Your own quote says that the Saudi King 'sent information (it would have gone to MI6) before the attacks.
Sorry if I sound cross but I refuse to be 'put down' as stupid.
I admire your faith in humanity Mr Poshman and hope that is the reality; but governments lie, yes? A governments first principle is to protect it's people and this means that any government has to 'play with the dark forces' and in that game there is always a loser.
Astrocat - Such a diversion is naive and can never happen (or is your faith in prediction waning?
dunno scrubs - I always thought 9/11 was engineered by the Yanks to divert attention from the Gleneagles summit in which case the Saudi's might have had some general info due to their close working relationship with the USA
This discussion relates directly to one of my points in Breakfast with Beelzebub ( Here)
I agree that Abdullah should not be welcome as his is actually a pretty odious regime in our eyes.. and that all dealings with the Saudis, like the deal on the Fighters, are tainted.
But I think it is a large gap, requiring a massive leap of credulity, to take from a dirty self interested deal for oil in exchange for fighters to prop up a regime we have been dealing with for decades, and who is on the side of the "angels".
or
3 put up terrorist incidents at the start of Brown's premiership designed to make him look powerful and in control (but which backfired in that they were such obvious damp squibs and one of the perpertarators got himself so badly burnt that he died).
to
The wilful destruction of the World Trade Center, 4 planes and around 3,000 people. (In fact even allowing this to happen without some attempt at interdiction stretches my "faith" in the power structures... when did the white hats turn black?)
(By the way Scrubbs I don't believe and apology is nearly enough... But furthermore I don't accept that getting rid of Saddam was a bad thing to do. Also note that most of the misery caused is by the various "rogue elements" and insurgents within Iraq terrorising their own people and making it hard to govern.)
A brilliant piece in The Independent this morning by Robert Fisk, who pulls no punches. Here's a sample...
Saudi Arabia is a state which bankrolled – a definite no-no this for discussion today – Saddam's legions as they invaded Iran in 1980 (with our Western encouragement, let it be added). And which said nothing – a total and natural silence – when Saddam swamped the Iranians with gas. The Iraqi war communiqué made no bones about it. "The waves of insects are attacking the eastern gates of the Arab nation. But we have the pesticides to wipe them out."
Did the Saudi royal family protest? Was there any sympathy for those upon whom the pesticides would be used? No. The then Keeper of the Two Holy Places was perfectly happy to allow gas to be used because he was paying for it – components were supplied, of course, by the US – while the Iranians died in hell. And we Brits are supposed to be not keeping up with our Saudi friends when they are "cracking down on terrorism".
Like the Saudis were so brilliant in cracking down on terror in 1979 when hundreds of gunmen poured into the Great Mosque at Mecca, an event so mishandled by a certain commander of the Saudi National Guard called Prince Abdullah that they had to call in toughs from a French intervention force...
See full article:
http://news.independent.co.uk/fisk/article3109869.ece
Thanx Yorker, an interesting link and perfectly formatted such that the politically correct 'cut and paste' brigade have no bones to chew on. Truth comes in many forms and a wise man instead of searching for the negative, will extract perfect reasoning from the vernacular regardless.
Yes Jonjii you are a man of heart, an apology is not enough, we must re-build Iraq to at least prevent malnutrition and disease.
I intend to examine yr 'rogue elements' to satisfy myself they are not just people like you and me taking to the streets because their families have been decimated.
One of the richest men in the world who has,
a place in the sun,wives ,conqubines,the finest food,luxury and comfort on an unimaginable scale.Servants ,ministers,ambassadors,all
of whome could deliver a message.
This is about breaking a deal / promise.
This is about his honour.
His personal promise / word.
Only he can break this.Honour again.
Anything but this, can be dealt with by proxy.
Britan at present is,cold ,dark,damp,foriegn,
an unpleasant destination from his perspective.
He has been FORCED to come here then.
Only his "honour" could do this.
This man IS oil ,so this is what its about.
What does this mean: (a few facts)
All ecomonic growth is oil driven.(fact).So economic growth
will stop then decline,(a collapse that will make the american GREAT DEPPRESSION look like small change.)
Our oil comes from SAUDI,(mostly).
Can we avert this;I think not because;
All current reserves are spoken for.
China buys 90% of the worlds resorses and they
are very rich.In a free market they win hands down.
We will have to become an agrairian scociety again
or die.No tecnology will save us it is a hoax.
The scientific law,"the conservation of energy,"
Also tells us this.
You may suspend rational thought and pretend this
this is not going to happen.
But it will happen and my guess is within the decade.
Yes, America is declining despite a massive jump forward to regain it's standing, which has failed completely despite the meticulous manoeuvring from the secret planners.
Iraq was meant to be a 'run in the park' and now the Putin/Clinton pact inherited by Bush has run out and Bush is looking scared, why? because Part II (Iran) is way behind and becoming harder to implement because of (i)public awareness and (ii)that intense itch, the IAEA who I name as 'the incorruptibles'.
Both China and Russia have stopped playing because they have been burnt by those 'New World' architects, their promises having been broken.
Why do you think the Saudi King is really here? Because it's payback time, dudes - OPEC needs a boost.
For now my message is simple, try to love each other as much as you can and let God do the rest, why? because humanity has failed to guard the exquisite gift of life apart from it's own lifeblood patsies and their controllers.
Remember remember the fifth of November
Gunpowder, treason and plot
There was no reason for the treason... or was there?
