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Title: Politicians, blogs and the internet

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Registration date: 13/10/2006
Added: 11/11/2007 17:36
How important is the internet to politicians? Can it make or break an election campaign?

I happen to think the internet and blogs have changed the face of politics forever.

Labour don't seem to have grasped this concept. Their censorship of Labour websites/blogs tends to say more about 'the Labour Party' than they realise. They want to control the internet? No chance.

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Generally politicians are good communicators, but only a select few have found themselves ideally suited to the dominant media of their age.


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Last edited by: canvas on 13/11/2007 20:28
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Registration date: 13/10/2006
Added: 13/11/2007 20:26
click here to read Iain Dale's Diary - it's always good fun


I think Ed Vaizey writes a really good blog. It's finely balanced between 'local' and 'national'. Highly recommended!

click here to read Ed Vaizey's Blog - He's really great.

Last edited by: canvas on 15/11/2007 11:55
scrubsupwell

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Registration date: 18/11/2006
Added: 13/11/2007 22:14
Very perceptive Canvas - you really do impress me - Oh yes this is probably the right thread to tell you, I really struggle to get a post out - that's how important the www is!

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Registration date: 11/03/2007
Added: 14/11/2007 00:29
It's an adapt or die scenario now Canvas. I agree.


They either blog and deal with disagreement or they lose I think.

At some stage the media might start to lose their influence but for the moment I believe getting and keeping the media on side is also hugely important.

All of them have to realize that with You Tube and the like any faux pas made is around the world in an instant AND CANNOT BE CENSORED or CONTROLLED!

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Added: 15/11/2007 11:51
click here to read a very interesting article about Vivienne Westwood and David Cameron

I know this article isn't about 'the internet' - but what a coup for David Cameron. Westwood has serious clout in the world of cool and groovy.

I am so happy to hear Vivienne Westwood say these things about DC. I really do share her thoughts regarding this matter.


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Westwood admits she likes the look of Cameron

She is one of Britain's most outrageous clothes designers, a punk heroine who has fought for civil rights and whose association with the Sex Pistols in the 1970s forever defined her as an anti-establishment maverick.

But now it would seem that Dame Vivienne Westwood is tired of kicking against tradition. The erstwhile wild child of fashion took a step towards the Conservative Party yesterday, praising the moral superiority of its leader, David Cameron, over the Prime Minister.

As she plans to attend this year's Tory party Christmas dinner, some former fans may now believe her transformation from rebel to middle-aged Tory sympathiser is complete.

Speaking to The Independent, Westwood said: "I think he [Mr Cameron] is definitely more convincing as a moral person than Gordon Brown by far. David Cameron also voted to go into Iraq but he didn't sit there while people invented lies around him.

"It's unfortunate his [Mr Cameron's] party has a certain baggage, such as the idea that they are anti-Europe, or that they are more racist than Labour. They are not."

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Mike.H

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Registration date: 12/11/2007
Added: 15/11/2007 17:31
Canvas - I think political blogging is just beginning to become very significant.

It still has a long way to go, but it has enormous potential - on one condition - and that is that the party machine leaves individual MPs to sink or swim by the blog. If central office gets involved, the blogs will become nothing more than extensions of the main party website - and any interest in them will die very quickly.

At the moment the political blog direct readership is probably pretty narrow, but they give individual MPs a gateway into other media - mainly the nationals. Seeing quotes from blogs in print is becoming more commonplace every day.

I think it will be a long time before political blogs overtake the mainstream media - if ever. This is mainly because it's a sort of 'pull' technology, whereas TV news, for instance is more like a 'push' technology.

OK, that's not very clear... What I mean is that receiving the political message in a blog requires active participation by the recipient, whereas seeing the same message as a news report on TV is much more passive.

In my experience the main benefit is the direct connection that can be established between the blogger and his/her constituents. The hitherto remote species to which most of our MPs belong can become more like close acquaintances. That is a very powerful tool.

Mike

Last edited by: Mike.H on 15/11/2007 17:31
tonymakara

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Registration date: 28/06/2007
Added: 15/11/2007 17:37
Canvas, you are right. Labour seen to be stuck in the 20th century and are very slow to adopt the modern methods of campaigning. The great thing about the internet is that it is a way of reaching younger people. The interesting thing about Labour being in power for so long now is that the next 'Batch' of kids growing up seem to be very hostile to Labour and see them as being old-fashioned and boring. Those kids will be ready to vote anytime soon!

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Registration date: 18/11/2006
Added: 15/11/2007 18:06
Powerful indeed Mike, but RSS is push technology and together with podcasts seems an exciting prospect, well apart from seeing DC's wall on Facebook that is.

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Registration date: 12/11/2007
Added: 15/11/2007 18:18
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scrubsupwell:- "...RSS is push technology and together with podcasts seems an exciting prospect"

Agreed. I suppose the point I was trying to make was that watching TV news is the ultimate in passive participation in politics, whereas accessing a blog, whether via an RSS feed or not, requires some sort of 'opt-in' choice by the participant.

But it's a small difference, I'll grant you.

But for me the significant aspect is the ability to 'get to know' your MP in a way that has not really been possible without going so far as to join the local association and become an activist.

Mike

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Registration date: 13/10/2006
Added: 15/11/2007 20:21
Scrubs, Do you have a link for DCs wall on Facebook?

scrubsupwell

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Registration date: 18/11/2006
Added: 15/11/2007 20:51
It's an even more exciting prospect - Canvas no link yet but I'll keep you posted; I was having a moment ;-)

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Registration date: 13/10/2006
Added: 18/11/2007 18:47
I really feel like Webcameron is being left to wither away. Why does it take so long to get a post up on the forum? It's stupid.

The Admin team need to raise their game. Why can't we have 'profiles' and 'avatars'? Why don't we have 'special guest bloggers' on the forum?

David Cameron - please - your forum needs some energy and creativity. It used to be so dynamic - with so many surprises. This forum feels like it is suffering from neglect.

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Registration date: 18/11/2006
Added: 18/11/2007 19:07
Chicken & egg possibly Canvas, while it is important to hear peoples views in a democracy, I suspect some posts have to go thru a chain of command where ultimately David has the final say on any post so inflammatory or derisive it cannot be published, is illegal, or, more importantly, whether is renders the 'poster' liable to suspicion of treachery or lobbying or is wholly detrimental to the good of the party.

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Registration date: 30/09/2006
Added: 18/11/2007 19:39
This website was radically re-designed last May.

Perhaps it is time it was "refurbished" again.

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Registration date: 13/10/2006
Added: 18/11/2007 19:46
Scrubs - other blogs and forums manage to get posts up almost immediately. It smells like complacency to me...

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Registration date: 12/10/2006
Added: 18/11/2007 20:25
Scrubs
....... ...or protection against being sued for libel perhaps?

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Registration date: 13/10/2006
Added: 19/11/2007 06:17
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The Conservative website (conservatives.com) has undergone an underwhelming makeover, but it still looks and feels several years out of date, which in internet terms is more akin to seven decades. Yet despite this, it is still better than Labour's offering (www.labour.org.uk), which treats its users as if they have a mental age of five. The Liberal Democrats' site (www.libdems.org.uk) is very, er, yellow, but at least it's easy to find what you want. However, it still makes no attempt to involve the user. Apart from signing up to email lists, there is nowhere for people to give their own views. And perish the thought that you should want to email someone at party HQ. Each of the three parties appears to make this as difficult as possible.


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The Conservatives' WebCameron (www.webcameron.org.uk) was truly groundbreaking in this field, but has been allowed to wither on the vine, with the site being updated only sporadically, whether by oversight or because the party doesn't understand the importance of keeping this kind of technologically-delivered message constantly refreshed.

Labour's YouTube channel (youtube.com/user/theuklabourparty), launched with much fanfare earlier in the year, but unbelievably has not been updated for two months.


I really hope DC sacks the admin team / mods on Webcameron because they are destroying this site.

Will admin delete this post too?

Last edited by: canvas on 19/11/2007 06:20
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