Site Updates | First Visit? | Newsletter | Tools & Features | RSS Feeds
Welcome, Guest | Sign In | Register









Forums

Before using the Webcameron forums, please read our Disclaimer & Acceptable Use Policy.

If you think a post is offensive or unsuitable, please Contact Us with the details.


Title: Airport safety .BAE and SELEX systems: National Safety and Security

Lizabeth

Search  

Messages: 1422
Registration date: 12/10/2006
Added: 23/09/2007 21:58
There are two systems in development to attempt to mitigate the potential effect of windturbines on radar.
Quote:
One is by BAE Systems and the other by SELEX SI
The aim is that any aircraft flying over them will be tracked and not lost in all the clutter generated by the turbines. It has been said there is some way to go before they can be put into production, probably another year or so, as they have to go through a lot of testing etc to prove themselves. Safety is of paramount importance and the CAA who will not allow these systems to be introduced until they are fully convinced that they are safe.

The responsibility for Safety lies with the developer and the Airport Management it seems. Surely there should not be any building of wind farms in areas where permission has been given on the understanding these systems would work satisfactorily. They may in future but are not yet available
Quote:
Walkway wind farm Sedgefield is one in question and where I understand building is taking place. plans are underway to expand the Airport

Safety of passengers and crew are paramount

Last edited by: Lizabeth on 17/11/2007 11:44
Tizzy

Search  

Messages: 1341
Registration date: 30/11/2006
Added: 24/09/2007 16:40
I know nothing about radar, Lizabeth, but I understand there are concerns about bats, a protected species, in the vicinity of wind turbines.

Odd; there are more laws to protect bats than people on planes. Maybe the radar's are different. Help!

Lizabeth

Search  

Messages: 1422
Registration date: 12/10/2006
Added: 24/09/2007 21:20
Tizzy Think it may be easier to expand on this using PM if you are interested.

However the issue is
“Planning for Renewable Energy, a Companion Guide to Planning Policy Statement 22”, makes it clear that the onus is on the applicant to prove that a proposal will have no adverse effect on aviation interests.
and that
For Walkway wind farm and DTVA
Although the issue did not appear to have been satisfactorily addressed consent was given for the wind farm and it is now I understand being built

I will post some comments which express my concerns on this subject. These relate to yet another development proposed for the North East but are from an official source and I hope shed some light on this serious problem.

A letter sent to to Tony Blair expressing concern re Walkway and the adjacent consented Butterwick wind farm was not answered

Tizzy

Search  

Messages: 1341
Registration date: 30/11/2006
Added: 24/09/2007 22:00
Thanks, I walked myself through the elementary aspects earlier on. Still a bit to go. :)

Is the Selex system you are talking about the same as is installed in Rome & Milan?

Lizabeth

Search  

Messages: 1422
Registration date: 12/10/2006
Added: 24/09/2007 22:06
Tizzy
A little more as promised.each application is site specific but these facts remain

Airports have a legal obligation to maintain a safe aviation environment for the Airport.

The applicants and appellant then consider a number of possible forms of mitigation:
The Civil Aviation Authority's mandatory transponders for certain aircraft,
Stealth materials in the construction of wind turbines
Re-routing of flights.

MY main concern regarding Walkway and Butterwick
Quote:
The technologies relied upon are still in development and have not been proven to be effective;

There is no certainty that the technology can be implemented
and tested before the proposals are implemented;

Impacts of the mitigation itself (including environmental and
economic) must be adequately assessed;

The mitigation must address the cumulative impact of the
proposals.

Lizabeth

Search  

Messages: 1422
Registration date: 12/10/2006
Added: 14/11/2007 20:19
Still awaiting the promised answer from Durham Tees Valley airport DTVA Manager regarding the potential adverse effect on aviation by the Walkway/Butterwick wind turbines
The Walkway wind farm is said to be under construction
Quote:
PPS22 Companion Guide puts the onus re aviation interests,on the applicant The applicant has yet to convince us that the two wind'farms' individually or cumulatively will not affect safe radar coverage at the airport

Last edited by: Lizabeth on 14/11/2007 20:20
Lizabeth

Search  

Messages: 1422
Registration date: 12/10/2006
Added: 17/11/2007 11:50
Reports from MOD and I believe NATS and CAA are supposed to be checked every two years

Lizabeth

Search  

Messages: 1422
Registration date: 12/10/2006
Added: 18/11/2007 22:51
This issue has been around a long time and has not yet been solved
Extract from the Decision Letter March 2001 to David Still then Manager for Amec Border Wind


Quote:
The Secretary of State has fully considered your application including the environmental benefits and the Government's commitment to the Kyoto Obligation to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases. However he has also to take into account the needs of others, in this case, the Ministry of Defence, and their duty of care to members of the public and aircrew and how best to prepare the RAF to meet any military threat.

He agrees that the Spadeadam EWTR is an integral part of the training of RAF aircrew, providing facilities unique in Europe.
Quote:
He also believes that the site of the proposed windfarm in relation to the Spadeadam EWTR could create a hazard to the safety of aircrew and consequently the public which would outweigh the other benefits mentioned above.

Last edited by: Lizabeth on 19/11/2007 22:14
Lizabeth

Search  

Messages: 1422
Registration date: 12/10/2006
Added: 19/11/2007 22:18
Still awaiting the promised reply from DTVA Now another wind farm is being proposed even nearer the airport.

You have no rights to post to this category
You can view topics and posts in this forum
You can't create topics in this forum
You can't reply to topics in this forum
You can't edit your posts in this forum
You can't delete your posts in this forum
You can't moderate this forum




FAQ | Contact | Sitemap | Privacy Policy | Disclaimer | Imprint | Credits
clementina