Posted by carlos on Friday, 09 March 2007 17:11:57

IamNoOne, those videos have been removed from google (what a surpirse)..... do you have other links to them, or did you download them by chance? edit: found them.

I'm sure for most people it's just too much to contemplate reseraching these things, as it really does shatter your world view!!

 

Comment edited by carlos on Friday, 09 March 2007 17:15:12

Posted by Votedave on Friday, 09 March 2007 18:46:03

Pickle, that's a very good point - you ought to create a blog requesting that.

Posted by canvas on Friday, 09 March 2007 19:18:43

Webcameron used to post 'transcripts' for the videos - but they haven't done that in awhile. Good point Pickle. Maybe there should be a special section on Webcameron for this 'text'?

 

Comment edited by canvas on Friday, 09 March 2007 19:19:00

Posted by blackqueen on Friday, 09 March 2007 19:52:15

Admitting that you are 'pro fox hunting', David, has just helped to ensure a very, very large part of the population will never vote for you. To say that you are a fox hunting supporter is the equivalent of saying that you support murder. You might think this is an extreme view, however, to animal lovers like myself, the value of a fox's life is equivalent to the value of a human life, or any other life. Encouraging a pack of hounds to track down a single fox and rip it to pieces as it fights for its life is, quite frankly, barbaric. The fact that highly privileged, elitist people who live in the countryside consider this as 'sport' and have been murdering foxes for hundreds of years does not mean that it should continue. We are living in the 21st century, where the torturing and murdering of people is obviously considered completely unacceptable, and where domestic animals are considered as part of the family. But yet a wild animal is still considered as 'fair game' for ridiculous practices such as this. If I were you, I would think long and hard about the growing number of vegetarians and animal lovers in this country, who will all be frowning upon your plans. If these groups of people continue to break the law by organising hunts, then the government should enforce the law that is in place and provide more police. It's illegal - so arrest them! No doubt, if people started to find loopholes in the laws covering drug dealing, for example, you'd be planning to come down on them like a ton of bricks and change the laws accordingly. So, what's the difference? Of course, we all know who these rich, hunting types vote for... but think about your 'other' audience, David.

Posted by SteveSussex on Friday, 09 March 2007 22:07:09

Blackqueen; at least he has the courage to tell it as it is on this subject [foxhunting]. One cannot be all things to all people but unlike Blair who looked for the most politically expedient answer and didn't vote so that he could turn around later and say it wasn't him. At least David has been honest about what is a very contentious subject even if some don't (and many wont) agree with his personal position. Also by promising a free vote we will get the result of what parliament really thinks as opposed to the class war motivated farce that we have now which, if you remember, was actually rammed through by Blair using the parliament act in the face of huge opposition. Nothing to do with the will of the people and everything to do with class politics. Very democratic. It has led to farcical legislation which carries the stamp of 'guilty until proven innocent' for the first time in our law. I for one am not happy with that precedent.

If you want to vote for spin and a constant diet of half truths and downright lies then take your vote to Gordon Brown. Someone who distinctly lacks any kind of courage. I would personally vote for a party that made the welfare of the nation a slightly higher priority than the welfare of vermin. Which however you dress it up is exactly what foxes are. They just have better press than rats.

As for the answer on doctors it is right to wait until the government have a position to attack. No point in attacking them while they are manouvering, they'll just skip out of trouble, take the best of what the opposition has to offer, make it their own and put it out as Labour policy. Which will then carry the Labour stamp of incompetence and a good idea will fail miserably. Best to wait and see what they actually hang their hat on and then trash it if needs be. Napoleon "never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake". Junior doctors may just end up with a better deal if some patience is exercised. Though I heartily agree that the current situation cannot be allowed to continue, a quick fix is not the answer. Personally I don't believe we can afford the NHS ergo I don't believe David or anyone can 'save' it. Certainly not in its present guise.

The road pricing answer is fair. It already exists on the M6 and that is an acceptable level and does not involve Orwellian levels of intrusion into our lives. I would be prepared to see a small charge on roads like the M25. Not £30 to get from the M23 to the Dartford crossing such as the government is proposing. Especially if the road and surrounding roads were improved as a result.

I will be voting Tory. Whether I agree with everything they do or not. On balance I feel they will do a much better and fairer job than the power hungry clowns we have now, I fundamentally disagree with everything the other parties do.

Posted by DaveGould on Friday, 09 March 2007 23:24:56

"The road pricing answer is fair. It already exists on the M6 and that is an acceptable level and does not involve Orwellian levels of intrusion into our lives."

Road pricing is anything but fair. It is rich people paying to keep poor people out of the way of their SUVs and Mercs.

The M6 is a toll scheme. Unless they keep a record of your license plate, they have no idea who's driven on it.

The Govt's road pricing scheme involves forcing everyone to buy a £200 satellite box whose main function is to continually broadcast the exact location of your car...

If that's not Orwellian enough for you, the secret registration of passport applicants/renewers starting *in two weeks* involves disclosing your driver number which will link the data of everywhere you've been in your car at any moment in time with the massive ID database.

Needless to say, no other country, not China nor North Korea have anything like that. Even 1984 had nothing that intrusive.

Oh, it doesn't stop there. The new Identity and Passport office will be demanding copies of your bank, tax & benefits records to get a really good idea of who you are and make sure you never want to trouble the Govt again.

http://www.bristol-no2id.org.uk/blog/?page_id=5

 

Comment edited by DaveGould on Friday, 09 March 2007 23:26:31

Posted by jaycee1940 on Friday, 09 March 2007 23:33:18

Hi, I will be very pleased when someone brings back fox hunting as here in South West Derbyshire we are being over ridden by them........not just in the fields on the country roads but now on the housing estates rummaging through bins and the worst defaecating in our gardens......today I had five lots to clear up.....I can see a serious epidemic of Parve Virus hitting our pets and other diseases as this is allowed to carry on and surely there is the same risk from fox droppings as there is from dogs.....I have Young Grandchildren who visit and play in my garden what risjkis there?.........Please bring the population of foxes back to what it was pre the ban and give us back our gardens and parks from this filthy visitor. A dog owner would be fined for allowing his animal to do this in a private garden so who do we sue......the Anti Fox Hunting Brigade....someone has to be responsible.

Posted by IAmNoOne on Saturday, 10 March 2007 09:10:46

Carlos, you're right. It really does amaze me, when presented with the answer to all their questions, and the solution to all their problems, people ignore it because it's too much to think about! Usually it takes people to be affected financially to get them to act (or think); here we have a situation where ALL our social (and a lot of our personal) problems are affected by our financial system - and people refuse to consider it, not because it is unrealistic, but simply because they don't like the implications! And yet, once again, the solution is right there, in front of people's noses - but it can be no solution unless EVERYONE signs up - and people refuse to sign up until everyone else does! Talk about sheeple...!!! :-/

Try this one. A nice 5-star movie for you all.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198

A movie by Aaron Russo, the same guy who brought us the classic Trading Places (Dan Akroyd & Eddie Murphy; remember that one?) This one is American: From Freedom to Fascism. A nice little demonstration of just how big the rip-offs that affect our modern world really are!

In Aaron Russo's words:

"I set out on a journey to make a film about whether or not there was a law requiring Americans to pay an income tax... or was the tax a fraud being perpetrated by the American government.

This process of discovery brought something much more dangerous and frightening to my attention... now I will bring it to yours.

In 1913 America was a free country. Then a band of powerful bankers achieved their fathers', and great grandfathers' goal.

America has never been the same.

Soon the world will not be the same."

Posted by petepassword on Wednesday, 14 March 2007 14:10:33

Your comment on fox hunting David is unimpressive, and ultimately cowardly, as, while saying you have no interest in fox hunting, you don't see any reason why others shouldn't be free to do it; so you want to please everyone. This is wishy washy nonsense, you can't sit on the fence on this one.
To all those who have argued that foxes are overunning the countryside now, I call you liars. There has been no change in fox numbers. This is because foxes don't breed uncontrollably as those in favour of hunting would have us believe - their numbers are dictated by a mixture of controls; available food, natural loss from disease and accidents etc. and hunting never has 'controlled' fox numbers. When foxes are killed excessively in one area, the hunters breed more for their 'sport'.
You can't be uncommitted on gratuitous cruelty, you are either against it, or you're a sick pervert.
There is no way I would ever vote for a party that promised to reintroduce this appalling, sick, perversion again. To my mind the legislation - the best thing this shower have done while in office - did not go far enough and still allows loopholes through which these morally indefensible cowards slip to continue their perversion. They should be locked up, and all those who claim to derive a living from it, should be out of business, full stop. It's no argument worthy of considering.
The fox occupies its own place in the ecology, its diet consists mostly of earthworms, grubs, dead birds and mammals, fruit, and anything else it can scavenge. It will take wild birds if it can, but mostly fails unless they are sick and therefore slow. It is mostly a scavenger, rather than a pure predator, although it will kill if the opportunity arises. It does not pose a threat to humans or their 'food animals' andif it gets into a chicken run, it is the fault of the farmer for failing to keep his hens secure. I have kept chicken only a few hundred yards from a fox earth, and never lost one to a fox, although rats did kill several chicks.
Those into the perversion will lie about the fox in an effort to win their spurious argument, but it all comes down to one thing; they get off on chasing and watching an animal being killed. That's why they smear blood on their children's faces, they are sick and they pass their sickness on to the next generation.
You cannot sit on the sidelines and claim it's about individual liberty, unbess you are prepared to defend my liberty to go out in the countryside and kill any fox hunters I find.

Posted by PJP40 on Wednesday, 14 March 2007 14:15:51

"To all those who have argued that foxes are overunning the countryside now, I call you liars."

Thats because they all moved into London...i want to hunt them when they keep me up with their annoying screaming at night...i really do not care one iota for the fox, just kill the damn thing. Make it painless if it pleases you, just kill it.

Posted by IAmNoOne on Wednesday, 14 March 2007 19:06:41

Petepassword, I disagree with you on the global warming issue and I daresay others yet to be revealed, but I've got to say I agree with every word you said on the subject of foxhunting!