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What is so conservative about the modern conservative party?

Posted by dollup on Friday, 02 March 2007 12:39:46

The conservative party is towing what is seen as the popular line on public morality [1] -- a morality which is driven by a media bent on perverting morals [2] , and a vocal and aggresive minority [3] who want their sexual preferences adopted as "the norm" by the rest of society, even if it means imposing this as normal by force of law. In the light of this what conservative element of morality does the party still retain?

And now we hear of some sort of deal with Stonewall - surely the desperate move of a party in its death throes. Let's just hope that some of the old party will be strong enough to create a new party - something that we can support again!

[1] which is quite clearly anti-Christian (even though this is supposedly the religion of the nation) and anti-family
[2] what filth can be piped nowadays directly into our homes
[3] less than 0.2% of households in Engalnd and Wales according to the 2001 census were headed by couples claiming to be homosexual or lesbian

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Posted by canvas on Friday, 02 March 2007 13:15:04

Sorry dollup - what exactly are you saying?? It's unclear. Is this a homophobic post you've written?

Posted by davetheslave on Friday, 02 March 2007 15:32:31

"A vocal and agrgresive minority"

So it's the homosexual minority who are verbally and physically abusing the heterosexual majority? Is that what is meant by the term "gay-bashing"?

Posted by Jacada on Friday, 02 March 2007 15:59:08

This is really badly written I'm having trouble understanding it.

I think hes Anti-Cameron which is stupid.

I must admit I never had much interest in the Conservative party before hand it wasn't what I really liked. But Davids turned all that around and I must say I really like it and the path its following =]

Posted by dollup on Friday, 02 March 2007 21:54:29

Canvas

Are you hetero-phobic?

Posted by canvas on Friday, 02 March 2007 21:57:39

I don't discriminate and I'm not a bigot. Are you?
I'm just asking you to expand on your comments since they are unclear . What exactly is the point you are trying to make?

What's your beef?

Posted by Graham on Friday, 02 March 2007 22:04:57

dollup:

I'm not sure what sort of party you wish to support, but it seems, from your writing, you want one that agrees with you that anything you like is right and morally correct and anything you don't like should automatically be banned.

If you don't like the "filth" that is "piped directly into our homes", don't look at it. Don't subscribe to adult channels, don't visit adult websites and invest in software like Net Nanny which will ensure that you don't get to see anything that might upset you.

If you aren't gay, exactly what is your problem with other people's sexual preferences? Nobody is trying to force you to change your sexuality, all that gays want to do is ensure that narrow minded bigots don't try to tell them that they should stop expressing their own sexuality.

Why do you think your prejudices should be the judge of morals for the rest of the country?

Posted by dollup on Friday, 02 March 2007 22:06:49

canvas

Sure you don't discriminate. Perhaps its because you don't know the meaning of the word ;-) Even the conservative party discriminates in not allowing labour party members to become members of their party!! Think about it!

My original post is now re-worked for those who have English as their second language :-) Is English a second language for you?

Posted by dollup on Friday, 02 March 2007 22:10:13

davetheslave

So it's the heterosexual majority who are verbally and physically abusing the homosexual minority? This seems to be the implication of what you are saying. The majority may be very surprised to learn that they are guilty of such a thing!!

Posted by canvas on Friday, 02 March 2007 22:13:31

I'm sorry but your article is constructed in such a shambolic manner that it remains unclear. It has sinister undertones of homophobia and bigotry. It smells like BNP to me. It would help if you were more straight forward in your attempt to communicate instead of writing such nonsense as above. I think your post is cowardly. Say what you mean.

Posted by dollup on Friday, 02 March 2007 22:16:36

Graham

Quote: "I'm not sure what sort of party you wish to support, but it seems, from your writing, you want one that agrees with you that anything you like is right and morally correct and anything you don't like should automatically be banned."

Now there was me thinking that that was the whole point of a democracry!! The problem at present is that there is no political party speaking out for the silent majority, and while good people remain silent, a new "morality" is being forced upon the populace by force of law.

Let me turn your question back on you - what gives you the right to not only insist on a new morality, but also to get it enforced by new laws with extraordinary punitive measures attached?

Posted by dollup on Friday, 02 March 2007 22:22:37

Canvas

Sorry that you are still having problems understanding my original post. Perhaps you should take the time to think and leave your nose in park mode :-) Maybe you have spent too much time training your nose to sense homophobia and bigotry where there is none - which would make you part of the problem that we have in this country.

Posted by canvas on Friday, 02 March 2007 22:26:14

I'm not trying to be rude - unlike you. I simply can't understand your article since it is so poorly written. Why can't you explain exactly what it is that you are trying to say? Your article has sinister undertones. What exactly are you complaining about? Express yourself.

Posted by canvas on Friday, 02 March 2007 22:28:11

PS> I wouldn't mess with davetheslave if I were you - he'll eat you for breakfast.
Don't say I didn't warn you... LoL

Posted by Graham on Friday, 02 March 2007 22:32:47

dollup:

> there was me thinking that that was the whole point of a democracry!! The problem at present is that there is no political party speaking out for the silent majority, and while good people remain silent, a new "morality" is being forced upon the populace by force of law.

It seems, then, that you have misunderstood the nature of democracy.

Firstly if the "silent majority" voted, then they wouldn't *be* the "silent majority"! But even if they were the "vocal majority" (which is something which you certainly haven't demonstrated yet) democracy doesn't give you the right to infringe other people's liberties simply because you don't like what they do. It seems that you, like others use the phrase "silent majority" to be "the people who agree with me".

Secondly "morality" is a meaningless phrase, "morals" are nothing more than chunks of tribal ethos which have been around for so long that people accept them as some sort of natural law, whereas they're nothing more than the distilled prejudices of a vocal minority and that vocal minority are trying to force them onto those who behave in a way that they don't like.

> what gives you the right to not only insist on a new morality, but also to get it enforced by new laws with extraordinary punitive measures attached?

Sorry, where have I done this? All I have said is that "others may have different viewpoints to yours or even that they are *entitled* to have such differing viewpoints." but you have interpreted this as "trying to force this on you".

The only "morality" that is necessary is one that says that if someone's preferences does no harm, then nobody should try to stop them based simply on their personal prejucides. Unfortunately this is what you are trying to do.

Posted by dollup on Friday, 02 March 2007 22:35:57

Canvas

The Conservative party has moved with the wind called "new morality". Many of us find that deeply worrying. So my question is simple - what elements of the previous "Conservative morality" are still in place? How Conservative are the Conservatives when it comes to morals?

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