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MI5/6 funding terrorism?

Posted by seabhcan on Monday, 29 January 2007 01:07:36

Dear Mr Cameron,

In February this year the Irish Senate is due to release its report into MI5/6 involvement in terrorism in Northern Ireland. This report will accuse the British security services of funding and training the Loyalist bombers who killed 33 people in Dublin and Monaghan on 17 May 1974.

Added to this, the noted researcher, Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed of the University of Sussex has discovered that MI5/6 was heavily involved in the training of Islamic terrorists during the Kosovo war, as well as the earlier Afghan war. During this time, British muslims were radicalised using public funds, trained in bomb construction and terrorist tactics, ans sent to fight abroad.

Many of these terrorists returned to Britain in recent years to fight the jihad at home, using their MI5/6 training against British citizens on 7/7. Among these include Abu Hamza who recruited jihadis from British streets throughout the 1990's on behalf of the security services.

I perfectly agree with you that we should put outlandish conspiracy theories to one side, but that shouldn't mean we can't discuss reasonable and well researched evidence of unfortunate behaviour of the nation's security services.

What is your knowledge and opinion of these events? As Prime Minister, do you foresee a break with the policies of the past in regards to the funding of terrorism?

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Posted by DaveGould on Monday, 29 January 2007 02:21:08

David Shayler apparently left MI5 because of (and was subsequently prosecuted for talking about) MI6's funding of Al-Qaeda in Libya:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/shayler/article/0,2763,837332,00.html

I know a lot Shayler's theories are crazy but he's an honest guy and this would explain the unreasonable blocking of an independent investigation into 7/7.

Posted by AlecLMillen on Monday, 29 January 2007 08:31:37

There was an attempt to assassinate me in a cemetary in north west London in the summer of 1995. I wonder if any of the organisations mentioned above were involved in that. David Shayler seemed to think so but then there was a bill of parliament with a clause that was called "a medusa clause" and I don't know what that means. I expect there will be another attempt this winter while it is cold. I am a British Citizen. My uncle Ronald has been Queen's Consoul. I don't know if that gave him any authority over the organisations above or the R.H.C. but I wouldn't be suprised if it did. If I am killed tomorow, I think that the main reasons to be concidderred as to why such an organisation might want me dead are that either my intrest in the politics of asthma and mixed race has come to their attention or that I was suspected of believing in the world's no.1 conspiracy theory "mind control devices". I think the conspiracy theorists that believe in it are treated unfairly not that I do in fact believe in it myself. Hopefully predicting that there may an attempt on my life tomorow will prevent the prediction from coming true. In 2005 I was subject torture by police van on both the fifteenth of August and the fifteenth of September and on both occasions my ordeal continued in a psychiatric hospital. Maybee all this is irelavant how David Cameron should regard the organisations if and when he has authority over them as prime-minister. Anyone with authority over them should not let them do anything bad whether or not they have a past record of doing such things. I hope David Cameron is not freightened of them. I think David Shayler and his companion Annie Machon would expect most MPs to be freightened but I expect David Cameron is the kind of person that would to the right thing without fear or favour and I believe that whether the organisations that the two worked with are allowed to be able to subvert our democracy should be regarded as a matter of priciple whether or not the organisations are known to have done so. I would like to see a hyperthetical discusion about the british constitution and the oragnisations mentioned above whether or not there is found to be any truth in any allegations.

Posted by TonyTT on Monday, 29 January 2007 10:02:56

Jesus, stop it with these threads on terrorism and conspiracy theories. This forum is like a bloody broken record. The only thing this thread has proved so far is that there are some real nutters out there with a serious case of paranoia. Reading the post above just sums the whole thing up. Whoever you are.....GET SOME HELP!!!!

Posted by stav1 on Monday, 29 January 2007 10:51:07

actually tonytt i find the issues of terroism, propaganda etc more important than standing at football grounds, rail pricing,
britishness and big brother etc etc.
why do you find people who talk about these issues to be paranoid, nutters? not meaning to argue i am seriously interested in your response to have an open debate without lower the thread into insults.
was this site not designed to have open debate on real issues, not rubbish TV programmes or Football or any of the other trivial posts.

Posted by 2012AD on Monday, 29 January 2007 11:41:56

thats really wierd. it voted this topic twice 4 me?

Posted by scrubsupwell on Monday, 29 January 2007 11:46:19

Alec your post disturbs me. Can you explain the circumstances behind the attempt on your life, I am very interested because I am building a web site that will try and document secret services behaviours, methods and political links/instructions that affect members of the British public.

Posted by TonyTT on Monday, 29 January 2007 12:06:50

Yes, I agree it is an important subject. But the fact that you have to come on here every time with the same old thread, and it is never at the top by the time the vote is over must surely indicate that people are getting bored of this stuff. Surely you and those like you must have other, more relevant issues concerning your actual real life.

You say “i find the issues of terroism, propaganda etc more important than standing at football grounds, rail pricing,
britishness and big brother etc etc”

Yes I am sure you do, but the fact that these topics consistently out vote yours goes to show that it is all getting a bit monotonous. In fact I am now going to vote for your topic in the hope that in my small way I will help it into the top 5 by then end of the week.

Then maybe you will either go away, or come up with a totally new subject that doesn’t involve conspiracy/terrorism/9/11/7/7/MI6………need I go on.

Do you have a wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/husband/life size real-feel rubber doll? If so why not ask something about inheritance or taxation policy or the silicone industry.
Do you have kids? If so why not ask something about education.
Are you human? If so why not ask something about healthcare.
Do you have a job? If so why not ask something about employment rights or the economy or pensions.

If the answers to all those questions is no, then you are a fully fledge conspiracy misfit and I would like to take this opportunity to apologise for offending you. If the answer to any of those questions is yes, then you share at least some of the characteristics of others living on this island, and I would assume some of their everyday concerns as well.

Posted by seabhcan on Monday, 29 January 2007 15:32:50

TonyTT, you're reference to conspiracy theories suggests that you don't understand this issue. The Irish Senate is about to issue a report which, based on 4 years of official investigations, will blame organs of the British security services of involvement in terrorism. When foreign governments accuse Britain of terrorism, the phrase 'conspiracy theory' doesn't quite cut ice.

Have you ever heard of Operation Gladio? That is the admitted and official NATO and MI6 policy during the cold war of funding right wing terrorist organisations in mainland Europe. It came out in 1990 and was condemned by the Italian and European Union parliamentary commissions. It is a historical and officially accepted fact that the British security forces have been involved in funding and training terrorists during the cold war.

Just last week, a UK official in Northern Ireland published a report on how the police funded terrorist killers in west Belfast between 1993-2003. At least 10 people were murdered, for which the killers received £90,000 of public funds.

Using the phrase 'conspiracy theory' simply proves your ignorance of the events around you.

Posted by paulsouthend on Monday, 29 January 2007 18:26:49

Hey tonyTT how can we stop? people like me are trying to save people like you from the NWO. Go put ya head back in the sand mate! Be a good slave. MI5 was behind 7/7 attacks what you want us to do? Should we just forget it? Should we be enslaved without a fight?

Posted by paulsouthend on Monday, 29 January 2007 18:40:35

God tonytt theirs a bloody tidal wave of evidence. WE who ask are not nutters. Rather more like clear thinkers. I wished to God I was wrong and the millions of others were wrong too. I really wished a bunch of guys in a cave planned and carried out the 9/11 attacks. Planned so well as to get NORAD to stand down for 40 mins, Sweet planning dude!

Posted by seabhcan on Monday, 29 January 2007 20:10:37

BREAKING NEWS
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Last Updated: 29/01/2007 19:51
Ex-hunger striker complains over MI5

A formal complaint against MI5 officers who detained a republican ex-prisoner at Belfast International Airport was tonight made to a tribunal set up to monitor the activities of the Intelligence Services.

Solicitors acting for IRA Maze Prison hunger striker Bernard Fox lodged the complaint over his treatment with the Investigatory Powers Tribunal.

Madden & Finucane said Mr Fox was detained at the airport by customs officials while returning from a family holiday last Friday before being questioned by two individuals who identified themselves as being members of MI5.

They said Mr Fox was subjected to a series of bizarre questions relating to the peace process and the current political situation.

"Our client instructs us that whist being held in an interview room he repeatedly enquired if he was under arrest and that he wanted his solicitor notified and present with him," said Madden & Finucane.

They added that when Mr Fox said he was leaving the interview room the MI5 officers attempted to give him a telephone number on which he could contact them and as he left the terminal the registration number of the car he was travelling in was noted by police.

His solicitor Ciaran Shiels said the practice had written to the Police Service of Northern Ireland at the airport and lodged a formal complaint with the tribunal.

"We consider that he was held in circumstances which amount to unlawful detention. We have requested that the Investigatory Powers Tribunal investigate this incident as a matter of urgency."

MI5 is taking over responsibility for intelligence gathering from the police in Northern Ireland just as responsibility for policing is due to be devolved to a local power-sharing executive next year under plans which the Government hopes will now go ahead following Sinn Fein's vote at the weekend to support the police.

The Investigatory Powers Tribunal was set up under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000. It exists to investigate complaints against various bodies including the Intelligence Services and law enforcement agencies and to ensure they use their powers correctly.
© 2007 http://ireland.com

Posted by paulsouthend on Monday, 29 January 2007 20:33:38

How Britain created Ulster's murder gangs.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code;=MAC20070128&articleId;=4615

Posted by TonyTT on Monday, 29 January 2007 21:30:54


Yes, without a doubt the British were up to their necks in collusion with Loyalist criminals during The Troubles. So what, they played dirty and so did we. Why was it done? To protect the likes of you from IRA bombs. I have no problem with collusion such as that.

And as for NATO and western intelligence services working with right wing groups or any anti communist organisation, so what. The Russians were doing the same with left wing and communist organisations. That is why it was the called the Cold War. We did it better than them, and that helped the west win the great ideological clash of the time.

MI5 behind the 7/7 attacks. You are mad. There is no way that an operation of that magnitude could be kept secret. Who do you think works at MI5 or MI6? They are normal people, and normal people would not go along with such a plan without one leak coming out. You seem to think that any organisation that belongs to “The Establishment” is full of blind slaves to the system. They are not, they to have morals and came through the same education system you did. Such a plot would have to remain secret for ever, because if it came out those involved would go to prison. Blair or Brown and the like would never go along with it.

And as for the NORAD theory. What evidence do you have that it was shut down during the attacks. Again, the whole NORAD system is vast, with thousands of employees, you can’t just flip a switch and it turns off.

As for being enslaved without a fight, mate I bet you have never stood and fought for anything in your life. And if there was ever a hostile army marching through Trafalgar Square you wouldn’t be out in the streets with a machine gun, you would be in enemy HQ collaborating.

Posted by seabhcan on Monday, 29 January 2007 21:42:54

TonyTT,

You may only want to be safe from IRA bombers. I want to be safe from both left and right wing nut case bombers.

Some of us think it important to oppose terrorism in all forms. If you prefer to talk about football stadia, fine.

We don't support the terrorists around here.

Posted by TonyTT on Monday, 29 January 2007 22:10:37

So you are a liberal thinking British citizen; me to.